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Random musings (again!) - Tina Marie's Ramblings
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Random musings (again!)
It's amazing the number of people who bash Christianity without ever reading the Bible.
It's amazing the number of people who bash the FAA without ever reading the FARs.

In other news: Spent a very pleasant evening last night making soup with Michael. I started out with this recipe:

2 medium garlic clove(s), minced
1 medium onion(s), diced
2 medium carrot(s), diced
1 medium sweet red pepper(s), diced
1 medium stalk celery, diced
2 small zucchini, diced
2 cup green cabbage, shredded
2 cup Swiss chard, chopped
2 cup cauliflower, small florets
2 cup broccoli, small florets
2 tsp thyme, fresh, chopped
6 cup vegetable broth
2 Tbsp parsley, or chives, fresh, chopped
1/2 tsp table salt, or to taste
1/4 tsp black pepper, or to taste
2 Tbsp fresh lemon juice, optional

Put garlic, vegetables, thyme and broth into a large soup pot. Cover and bring to a boil over high heat; reduce heat to low and simmer 10 minutes.
Stir in parsley or chives; season to taste with salt, pepper and lemon juice. Yields about 1 cup per serving.

I ended up just cutting up enough veggies to fill my biggest soup pot - all the stuff there, plus some mushrooms and some yellow squash, and about triple the garlic. I found fresh oregano, thyme, rosemary, and sage. Michael sauteed the garlic, onion, carrots, and mushrooms first, then we added mushroom stock and all the veggies. When it was almost done, he sauteed the fresh herbs with butter and a bit of white wine, then added them.

It was positively wonderful - both the process and the resulting soup.

In less happy news, we have a mandatory development meeting at 1pm. This Will Not Be Good News.

Current Mood: hungry hungry

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From: ex_inviolet697 Date: April 6th, 2004 09:30 am (UTC) (Link)
No fish or mushrooms in your soup? Better not expect much of an endurance boost from it. Still, I would like to try a bowl in order boost my gastronomy skill.
skywhisperer From: skywhisperer Date: April 6th, 2004 01:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
*laugh* No, it had plenty of 'shrooms in it.
sgillbee From: sgillbee Date: April 6th, 2004 09:38 am (UTC) (Link)


You are absolutely correct... meetings of this type inevitable result in change... usually unpleasant the at the offset... and undoubtable resulting in some kind of financial loss as time goes on.
skywhisperer From: skywhisperer Date: April 6th, 2004 01:48 pm (UTC) (Link)


But this one seemed less, well, significant that I had feared.
sgillbee From: sgillbee Date: April 6th, 2004 04:39 pm (UTC) (Link)


Perhaps that is because The Company is doing better and doesn't have to resort to Bad Things. Of course, maybe there will be nefarious, unseen consequences in the future... we shall see.
the_carrot From: the_carrot Date: April 6th, 2004 11:21 am (UTC) (Link)
It's amazing the number of people who bash Christianity without ever reading the Bible.

Too true. What I've always found amazing is the way a member of an alternative religion will start calling Christians 'intolerant'. Apparently Christians have to accept Wicca/Buddhism/whatever without the reciprocal action. Amazing.

[No, I don't go to church.]
skywhisperer From: skywhisperer Date: April 6th, 2004 01:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't either. In fact, I have a very strongly negative view of organized religion in general. But I have a very stong religious background, and I will happily do Biblical debates for hours.
acelightning From: acelightning Date: April 6th, 2004 03:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
as you know, i'm a Wiccan Priestess. i've read the Bible, and i've had plenty of fun refuting the fundies' arguments with their own sources. but the reason i consider that particular sub-set of Christians to be "intolerant" has to do with one very important difference between my religion and theirs. that is, i have no particular desire to see everyone in the world become Wiccan, and i don't believe that anyone who doesn't immediately convert is going to be punished for it. unfortunately, many Christians have the exact opposite point of view: everyone who isn't Christian (and their particular flavor of Christianity - nothing else is "the real thing") must be exhorted, coerced, browbeaten, tricked, and even threatened into converting, or else we're going to fry in hell.

back in the BBS days, i moderated a "Wiccan/pagan/occult" discussion area on a local board. a fundie joined up, and at first pretended to be interested in Wicca by asking some fairly usual newbie questions. but then the gloves came off. he asserted that the Goddess, and any other deity except the old psychopath in the white bathrobe, was "a demon tricking people with a fair appearance". he offered to pray for me, that i would see the light and accept Jesus as my personal savior. when i politely declined, he said he'd pray for me anyway. he said he would pray that "my ceremonies would lose their power, and i would see my false gods for the demons they truly are". he invited me to pray to my "false gods" that he would be converted - basically asking for a "dueling gods" contest. i politely declined this as well, pointing out that i was bound by some very serious oaths not to inflict my will upon another human being, and i considered his "praying" for me to be both a boast and a threat. he may have prayed his little pink pecker off, but he never succeeded in making me turn Christian, and he left the BBS and never came back. (note carefully that i did not do anything at all to him.)

so, yeah, i tend to be more than a bit prejudiced against Christians. it might help if they stopped wanting to burn me at the stake...

alioth1 From: alioth1 Date: April 6th, 2004 12:51 pm (UTC) (Link)


You should meet my Dad. He was once a devout Christian, and is very well read in bible-issues. He isn't any more; he's a fundamental atheist, he doesn't just believe there is no god, he is convinced there is no god.

It did lead to some confusion. Some honest-to-god (pun intended) Mormon girls from SLC visited our house last year, just as we were preparing to go to the pub. Since I know SLC, I talked with them a bit about SLC and the skiing conditions in the Wasatch front, whilst my Dad tried to convert them to atheism :-)
skywhisperer From: skywhisperer Date: April 6th, 2004 02:00 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Christianity

sgillbee From: sgillbee Date: April 6th, 2004 04:46 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Christianity

Since I have to go home now, I will refrain (right now) from jumping into the fray (I _am_ a Christian, though not of the fundie variety... at least not the "populous" definition of "fundemental"... I _do_ believe that I believe in a fundemental form of Christianity... ie, one that is closest to its roots and not any of the several modern flavors... but I digress)...

You say "convinced" there is no God (or god or goddess, if you wish). What incontrovertible proof is there? Many people bash _my_ faith... but it _is_ faith (defined as "a belief in something unseen and unprovable by logic"). I would contend that "convinced belief" in in no god is still a matter of faith... it is unseen and unprovable.

We just stand on either side of the "faith" issue.
skywhisperer From: skywhisperer Date: April 6th, 2004 05:27 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Christianity

Oh, lookie, a religious debate in Tina's Journal!

I know my friends list contains at least one athiest, at least one agnostic, one Wiccan, one Morman, one Christian, and I have no clue about the rest. Play nice, please. :)

BTW - Gang, meet Simon. He works down the hall from me. He's a Nice Guy, with a cute English accent (although not quite as cute as yours, Dylan). :)
sgillbee From: sgillbee Date: April 6th, 2004 06:06 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Christianity

It is a pleasure to meet y'all (while I am English, I have lived in Texas for over 15 years and am quite comfortable with "y'all", though sometime it doesn't come out quite right ;) ).

A little about me... by day I am a mild-mannered computer programmer, happily (usually) slaving away for Corporate America bringing home the bacon for my family. By night (and weekend), I am a worship singer and leader at Fellowship Bible Church.
alioth1 From: alioth1 Date: April 8th, 2004 08:21 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Christianity

Knowing what American bacon is like, I think I prefer to keep bringing home the Manx bacon :-)
alioth1 From: alioth1 Date: April 8th, 2004 08:21 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Christianity

Of course not. He's been in TX for too long; he's been polluted!
greeneyedsadie From: greeneyedsadie Date: April 6th, 2004 06:48 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Christianity

I'm a strange study in opposites; I am an atheist, who is fascinated by Theology and Judaic/Christian/Muslim history. I was a theology major for a short time at UCLA. I am a history major now, and I guess you could say I love the sociological and historical aspects of the beginnings of the Christian faith and its impact on the rest of Western History, but I do not believe in Christ as the Lord and Savior, or that he was the son of God. Then again, I don't believe in God. :)

But, I have read the bible (New and Old), the Apocrypha, the Koran, the Mishnah, the Bagavadgita, the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Analects, the Tao Te Ching, "The Teachings of the Buddha" and many more.

Religion is a universal concept; the majority of the world believes in a supernatural force guiding their lives. Now, if everyone would just accept that people have their own religion (even though there are marked similarities between so many of them the world over) and to *them* that religion is true, then we might achieve world peace. Unfortunately, throughout time, wars have been fought over one group of people believing another group of people are "bad" "evil" "stupid" because they ascribe to another faith. Therefore these religious groups want to go and *convince* these other groups that their religion is the best, and often do this by force. We in the Western world are currently mired in probably what is one of the biggest battles of religion since the Reconquista of the late 1400s. Ironically, the Reconquista was involving the same two religions as are involved today. Things don't change much.

The biggest irony of all is that the two warring religions that are currently occupying the world stage have both come from the same source; we (Christians and Muslims) are people of the book. But, as the separation and shame lay between Isaac and Ishmael, such shall lay between the U.S. v. The Middle East.

Anyway, I digress. You now have a good introduction as to who I am. And, if anyone here in this august forum is interested, there is a wonderful book called "Our Religions" where scholars from each of the world's main religions lay out the belief structures and the histories of their own religions in very understandable and easy to read ways. I highly recommend it to everyone on this earth, as to understand the religions of your neighbor is to understand your neighbor.

alioth1 From: alioth1 Date: April 8th, 2004 08:33 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Christianity

I always find the debate about not being able to prove a negative (most negatives are unprovable - I can't prove that there are no Glashen [0] still roaming Bradda Head, or that there are no fairies under the Fairy Bridge [1] at Santon, or that we aren't living in a vast Matrix-like simulation [2]) - because proving non-mathematical negatives is just not possible. I think it's therefore a bit silly to say you can have faith in something _not_ existing. Call it a semantic argument if you like, I just find it a bit of an intellectual cop-out.

I might go into a full discussion about this, but it will be in my own journal if I do so I don't pollute Tina's with the inevitable debate that will follow.

If you want an interesting read, read John Gray's _Straw Dogs_. He has a go at everyone, including atheists and humanists so should offend all equally :-)

[0] Water horse of Manx legend.
[1] A bridge just south of Santon where everyone greets the fairies to this day (whether they believe in them or not).
[2] See the Ruler of the Galaxy in HHGTG for what I mean here.
greeneyedsadie From: greeneyedsadie Date: April 6th, 2004 05:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have a really easy and tasty soup recipe:

2 Tbsp olive oil
3 cloves garlic, crushed
4 tbsp fresh parsley, chopped
2 cups dried pasta (they call for tiny shells, I like it better with orzo or acini de pepe
6 1/2 cups vegetable broth
3 tbsp tomato paste
approx one can full (14oz) total of mixed beans (ex. kidney, cannellini, garbonzo) (I usually buy three kinds of beans and use 1/3 to 1/2 can each)
salt and pepper to season
fresh grated parmaesan cheese to serve

Heat oil in large suacepan, sautee garlic and parsley for about 2 minutes. Add pasta and sautee for 1-2 more minutes. Add broth and tomato paste, stir frequently and bring to boil, then reduce heat and simmer for ten minutes. Then add beans and salt and pepper, and continue to cook for another 10 minutes or so. Serve with freshly grated parmaesan cheese on top, tastes really good with crusty french bread or garlic bread.

This soup is SO easy to make and takes only a few minutes to prepare. You can scrimp and used jar crushed garlic and dried parsley and it takes even less time, but doesn't taste *as* good.

One hint: if you don't eat it all the first night and put it in the fridge, in about 8 hours the pasta will have soaked the entire thing and become a big pasta bean mush, which is surprisingly tasty when reheated in a bowl. Just looks weird.
skywhisperer From: skywhisperer Date: April 6th, 2004 05:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, that sounds wonderful!
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